Nearly one-fourth (23%) of patients taking antiarrhythmic drugs progressed to persistent A-Fib after a failed ablation! The message is clear. To reduce your risk of progressing to persistent A-Fib, if you have a failed ablation, you are best served to get a second ablation rather than relying on antiarrhythmic drugs.
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What happens if an atrial fibrillation ablation fails?
Long-term clinical outcome of patients who failed catheter ablation of atrial fibrillation More than 5 years after a failed AF ablation, a small minority of patients had such an impaired quality of life as to require non-pharmacological interventions. Almost half developed permanent AF, which significantly impaired quality of life.
What should I do if my ablation fails?
To reduce your risk of progressing to persistent A-Fib, if you have a failed ablation, you are best served to get a second ablation rather than relying on antiarrhythmic drugs.
What is the outcome at 5 years following ablation?
A recent meta-analysis looked at that question—what is the outcome at 5 years following ablation? [ 1] If you permit repeat ablation in people who clearly have failed, the success rate is just under 80% for paroxysmal AF. For patients with persistent nonparoxysmal AF, it drops down to about 60%.
Do I need a second ablation?
The message is clear. To reduce your risk of progressing to persistent A-Fib, if you have a failed ablation, you are best served to get a second ablation rather than relying on antiarrhythmic drugs.
What is the ideal patient for ablation?
Why is it important to know about recurrence rate?
How often do patients require more than one procedure?
What does failure mean in ablation?
What does it mean to go through with an ablation?
Is atrial fibrillation a compelling indication?
What is secondary indication?
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What is the next step if cardiac ablation doesn't work?
If the ablation doesn't work first time and your symptoms either don't improve or return, you may need another ablation or to think about other treatments. You should get in touch with your doctor or clinic to talk about your other options.
Can you have a second cardiac ablation?
And if the first procedure isn't successful, a second procedure may be needed. “The second ablation has a higher success rate – about 80 to 90 percent.”
Can an ablation be unsuccessful?
In our study, surgical AF ablation was unsuccessful in 114 patients (i.e. one out of five) likely due to the lack of mapping and catheter ablation. This leads to the second consideration, the efficacy of the proposed treatment.
Can I have a third ablation?
Research at this time suggests that there are no significant differences in complication rates between first, second, third or fourth ablations. We must remember that all ablation procedures have a chance of complications. Cardiac tamponade complications occur in less than 1% of catheters ablations.
What is the success rate for a second heart ablation?
If it does not, you may need a second catheter ablation procedure to eliminate the flutter. In these cases, the overall success rate is approximately 75-85 percent.
How many ablations can I have?
It's rare, but if you have persistent or chronic AFib, you might need a second ablation within 1 year. If you've had AFib for more than a year, you may need one or more treatments to fix the problem. If your symptoms come and go (your doctor will call this paroxysmal AFib), ablation is more likely to work for you.
Why did my heart ablation fail?
Results: The primary reasons for a lengthy or failed ablation attempt were 1) inability to position the ablation catheter at the effective target site (16 patients, 25%); 2) instability of the ablation catheter or inadequate tissue contact at the target site, or both (15 patients, 23%); 3) mapping error due to an ...
How do I know if my ablation failed?
In rare cases, some women develop cyclic pelvic pain (CPP) after the procedure, which can last for months or even years. This may be a potential indication of late-onset endometrial ablation failure. If you experience back pain after the surgery, call your doctor.
How often does ablation fail?
Catheter ablation is helpful in reducing recurrent VT in many patients, but the procedure fails acutely in 10% to 20% of patients, and overall approximately half of patients in multicenter trials will experience at least 1 VT recurrence after ablation.
How many times can you be Cardioverted?
There is really no limit to the number of cardioversions that people can have but at some point of time, we figure out that either it is a futile strategy or patients tend to get frustrated. But when it is a necessity that our patients who've had 20, 25 cardioversions also.
What is the alternative to cardiac ablation?
The Mini-Maze procedure provides an alternative to conventional catheter ablation for atrial fibrillation (AF). It may be used in patients with chronic, persistent AF.
Can you have too many ablations?
On the other hand, if you do too much ablation (there are add-on codes for extra ablation), then redo procedures for scar-related flutter is likely. I call this the if-you-give-a-mouse-a-cookie effect: once you start doing extra burns in the left atrium, flutters rotating around the burns become more likely.
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What is the ideal patient for ablation?
Dr Friedman: The ideal patient is someone who has normal body habitus, normal body mass index, the paroxysmal pattern of arrhythmia (that is, it starts and stops without the need for medical intervention), has normal left atrial size, normal ventricular function, and has not had the arrhythmia for a prolonged period of time. Some evidence suggests that when the time from the date of onset of the arrhythmia to when you ablate is delayed, the likelihood of success may drop a little bit. [ 2] These are retrospective data, but they are intriguing. That would be the ideal candidate. In that person, you may start to approach (although we don't have trial data to support it) success rates of up to 90%, at least for 1 year.
What does failure mean in ablation?
Dr Friedman: Failure means failing, and failing at an experienced center because there are various techniques for the procedure. Assuming that the ablation was done at a center that does many hundreds of procedures annually and has full access to all the techniques, there are patients in whom it will fail.
What does it mean to go through with an ablation?
Dr Noseworthy: For a patient to go through with an ablation, that marks that patient as being motivated in terms of trying to improve his or her health. These patients often ask what they can do in terms of lifestyle modification. Do you have any comments on that?
Is it reasonable to have two ablations?
It is very reasonable to do two ablations; half of all people will have two. In the ideal candidate, a younger person who is highly symptomatic and a highly motivated person, a third ablation is not unreasonable. It should be an infinitesimal number of people in whom you go beyond three ablations.
Can sinus rhythm be restored?
Dr Friedman: The other extreme would be a patient with longstanding persistent AF (a continuous arrhythmia present longer than a year) in whom, to restore sinus rhythm, a cardioversion is required, and the pattern would typically revert back to AF quickly. This is typically an older person with multiple comorbid conditions (eg, obesity, diabetes, hypertension). If you really want to make it a difficult candidate, you can include other structural anomalies, such as valvular heart disease—conditions that lead to atrial stretch, atrial fibrosis, and more pathology, making it harder to maintain homeostasis—and by that, I mean a normal rhythm.
Is atrial fibrillation a compelling indication?
Dr Friedman: The more comorbid conditions, the more compelling the indication needs to be; and the most compelling indication is highly symptomatic atrial fibrillation. There have been roughly five or six trials [ 3–8] and a couple of meta-analyses [ 9, 10] comparing drugs with [first-line] ablation in patients who are symptomatic, and ablation has been consistently superior to drugs for controlling symptoms. In patients who are asymptomatic, it's far more difficult. We do not have evidence at this time that restoring sinus rhythm with ablation frees someone from stroke risk.
Why is AF ablation unsuccessful?
In our study, surgical AF ablation was unsuccessful in 114 patients (i.e. one out of five) likely due to the lack of mapping and catheter ablation. This leads to the second consideration, the efficacy of the proposed treatment. Part of the answer to this problem is an evolution of our AF ablation strategy with the addition of a "hybrid" approach and ablation of the roof of the left atrium [ 8 ].
Which approach is best for accessing the pulmonary vein box?
The right minithoracotomy approach was chosen for the easy access to the pulmonary vein box through the transverse and oblique sinus; although it implies the limitation of difficult access to the left auricle.
Is thoracoscopic surgery considered a first line therapy?
In addition, thoracoscopic surgery may also be considered as first-line therapy for patients who remain highly symptomatic despite optimal medical therapy, with a class IIb recommendation due to lack of data in patients treated using this approach [ 1 ].
Can AF ablation be performed with a minithoracotomy?
A first consideration based on the results of our study is that the ablation procedure can be performed safely through a right minithoracotomy. Theoretically, to achieve complete closure of the box lesion, 7 out of 10 patients that have undergone catheter ablation will need surgery to complete the hybrid procedure [ 1 ]. Obviously, this does not occur in clinical practice due to safety concerns surrounding surgical AF ablation, which is burdened by higher rates of periprocedural complications compared to catheter ablation [ 7 ]. However, prospective registry-based data show that approximately 4–14% of patients undergoing AF catheter ablation experience complications, 2–3% of which are potentially life-threatening. These complications occur mostly within the first 24 h after the procedure, but some may develop 1–2 months after ablation (like pulmonary vein stenosis). Periprocedural death is rare (< 0.2%) and usually related to cardiac tamponade. Indeed, these data derived from the current guidelines do not differ from those reported with thoracoscopic surgical ablation [ 1 ]. The use of a thoracoscopic approach is associated with a higher risk of pneumothorax and a low risk of cardiac tamponade, though similar to catheter ablation. Such complications, which have been recorded in 1% of our study population, can be safely managed through a right minithoracotomy performed under direct vision. This treatment option, which has been used in our center for the past 10 years, is not considered in the current guidelines.
Is AF ablation safe?
Surgical AF ablation through a right minithoracotomy is safe, but a better outcome could be achieved using a hybrid approach. Patients after initial failed surgical AF ablation show worsening of cardiac function, clinical status and quality of life at follow-up compared to patients with successful AF ablation.
Who contributed equally as first authors and senior authors?
Giuseppe Nasso and Roberto Lorusso and Giuseppe Santarpino and Giuseppe Speziale contributed equally as first authors and senior authors, respectively
How long is a persistent AF?
In particular, paroxysmal AF was defined as a self-terminating AF episode (up to 7 days), and persistent AF was defined as an AF episode lasting longer than 7 days, or requiring termination by electrical or pharmacological cardioversion [ 1 ].
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Can Atrial Fibrillation Come Back After Ablation?
In this article I will discuss some of the reasons why people still have AFib after an ablation procedure, and what you can do to help improve your success rate of an ablation procedure. When it comes to the reasons why an ablation procedure does not work, I'll divide it up into technical failures as well as what I would call “missing pieces of the puzzle.”
Why is ablating around the pulmonary veins not enough?
As a result, as people develop more advanced stages of atrial fibrillation, the routine ablation, which involves only ablating around the pulmonary veins, may not be sufficient enough just because the heart has changed so much after all the episodes of AFib and all the duration of a patient’s AFib. Many times in patients with more advanced AFib, an ...
What is the goal of AFIB ablation?
But as far as the procedure itself, targeting and ablating the areas around the pulmonary veins in order to block the short circuit signals that trigger episodes of AFib, is the most common goal for an AFib ablation. However, in past clinical studies when they have looked at people who have had recurrences of AFib, ...
What is the scar tissue inside the left atrium?
As people get more and more episodes of atrial fibrillation, especially people who are in an AFib all the time or most of the time, there tends to be a lot of scar tissue, or fibrosis, inside of the left atrium. As a result, as people develop more advanced stages of atrial fibrillation, the routine ablation, which involves only ablating around ...
Why does ablation not work?
When it comes to the reasons why an ablation procedure does not work, I'll divide it up into technical failures as well as what I would call “missing pieces of the puzzle.”. When it comes to technical failures , that basically means that there was an incompleteness or an issue with the actual ablation procedure itself.
What is the technology used during ablation?
Most importantly, over the last few years, several of the ablation catheters now have what is called contact sensing . It basically gives a feedback to the doctor to know how strong the catheter is touching the heart. You can imagine how difficult it can be to get good contact with a beating heart while you're trying to do a procedure on someone, and so these sensors have allowed doctors to get better contact with the heart tissue, as well as hopefully provide more thorough ablation lesions.
Why do people get multiple ablations?
Many patients get multiple ablation procedures performed because an underlying health condition is not properly treated. If none of these lifestyle medications apply to you, sometimes additional ablation procedures will be needed. Always discuss with your doctor which treatment options are right for you.
What is the ideal patient for ablation?
Dr Friedman: The ideal patient is someone who has normal body habitus, normal body mass index, the paroxysmal pattern of arrhythmia (that is, it starts and stops without the need for medical intervention), has normal left atrial size, normal ventricular function, and has not had the arrhythmia for a prolonged period of time. Some evidence suggests that when the time from the date of onset of the arrhythmia to when you ablate is delayed, the likelihood of success may drop a little bit. [ 2] These are retrospective data, but they are intriguing. That would be the ideal candidate. In that person, you may start to approach (although we don't have trial data to support it) success rates of up to 90%, at least for 1 year.
Why is it important to know about recurrence rate?
Those are important because there are a lot of things that nonelectrophysiologist physicians can do to maintain the wellness of their patients and perhaps lower the risk for arrhythmia recurrence.
How often do patients require more than one procedure?
The other issue is how often do patients require more than one procedure? If you go out to 5 years, the average number of procedures per person is 1.5, meaning that roughly half will need a second procedure. What is the single-procedure success rate? That drops down quite a bit, as you might imagine. It's between 50% and 55% at 5 years. The 1-year shorter term success rate is significantly higher. A key factor in determining the success rate depends on how persistent and how longstanding the arrhythmia is.
What does failure mean in ablation?
Dr Friedman: Failure means failing, and failing at an experienced center because there are various techniques for the procedure. Assuming that the ablation was done at a center that does many hundreds of procedures annually and has full access to all the techniques, there are patients in whom it will fail.
What does it mean to go through with an ablation?
Dr Noseworthy: For a patient to go through with an ablation, that marks that patient as being motivated in terms of trying to improve his or her health. These patients often ask what they can do in terms of lifestyle modification. Do you have any comments on that?
Is atrial fibrillation a compelling indication?
Dr Friedman: The more comorbid conditions, the more compelling the indication needs to be; and the most compelling indication is highly symptomatic atrial fibrillation. There have been roughly five or six trials [ 3–8] and a couple of meta-analyses [ 9, 10] comparing drugs with [first-line] ablation in patients who are symptomatic, and ablation has been consistently superior to drugs for controlling symptoms. In patients who are asymptomatic, it's far more difficult. We do not have evidence at this time that restoring sinus rhythm with ablation frees someone from stroke risk.
What is secondary indication?
A secondary indication is left ventricular dysfunction. In that setting success is, in large measure, defined by whether you have improved the patient's quality of life, whether the AF is no longer the main focus of the patient's daily activities and the patient has moved on with well-controlled symptoms.
